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Íñigo Ongay de Felipe
Registrado: 09 Oct 2003
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 Publicado: Jue Dic 29, 2005 7:43 pm Ttulo del mensaje: José Manuel Rodríguez Pardo responde a Mohamed Bilal |
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En este número de EL Catoblepas ha aparecido una contundente respuesta de Jose Manuel Rodríguez Pardo a Mohamed Bilal Achmal, quien a su vez "criticaba" recientemente, también en el cato, la intolerancia de Gustavo Bueno en torno al islamismo... Creo que es de felicitar a Jose Manuel, por su implacable exposición... magnífico el texto como digo, enteramente recomendable
http://nodulo.org/ec/2005/n046p17.htm
Feliz Año a todos |
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Eliseo Rabadán Fernández
Registrado: 12 Oct 2003
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Ubicacin: España
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| Publicado: Vie Dic 30, 2005 12:47 pm Ttulo del mensaje: instruir para el Islam tanto que es convertir a los infieles |
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el artículo de José Manuel Rodríguez Pardo en respuesta al señor Bilal muestra que el sistema racionalista y materialista( hay que destruir las raíces del Islam con el racionalismo) que sostiene al materialismo filosófico es la más potente arma contra el modo "pánfilo"de entender la cuestión del terror islámico y el ataque contra el modelo político social y "cultural" e incluso de libertad religiosa de la democracias "Occidentales" .
El artículo de R Pardo es tan claro y contundente que no parece ser preciso mayor detalle para enfrentar con certeros dardos las "tesis" de Bilal ; entrecomillada la palabra tesis porque hay una excesiva recurrencia al arte retórica y a la sofística en el texto de Bilal,tal y como se constata al leer el artículo de J M R Pardo.
Sin embargo, quisiera aportar un par de datos al respecto:
1- ¿es tolerante y dialogante el modo en que un Estado islámico (Irán) reprime y obliga a sus ciudadanos en el presente? Me refiero al artículo firmado por Manuel Martorell que el diario madrileño El Mundo publicaba el jueves 29 de diciembre (2005) con el título La involución de Ahmadineyad.
el estrafalario presidente iraní ( sus afirmaciones negacionistas sobre el Holocausto y su sugerencia rayana en la locura política de echar a los ciudadnos de Israel a Europa y borrar del mapa el Estado de Israel son signos de su estrafalario modo de entender las cuestiones políticas ) está llevandoa cabo una especie de mezcla política de las purgas estalinianas con uan revolución cultural a la Mao, pero todo ello en versión coránica fundamentalista. ¿Esto es , acaso, lo que hay que empezar a instruir en vez de no tolerarlo, según lo que el señor Bilal defiende frente al materialismo filosófico y al propio Gustavo Bueno?
De seguir las tesis(¿?) del señor Bilal habrá que empezar a :
-controlar la prensa, pero en serio
"cualquier crítica al guía de la Revolución(islámica),Ali Jameini, o al presidente del Gobierno pueden motivar la clausura de las publicaciones",según el texto del periodista de El Mundo
-censurar los museos que exhiben arte contra la rigidez sexual muslumana,por ej.
-fuertes y rigurosos filtros a internet
- requisar libros
- control casi absoluto sobre la ropa en tiendas &
- redadas por parques para detener a chicos ychicas que vayan juntos sin justificar que son parientes como
marca el canon del Libro...
- destitución de profesores (" por llevar camisetas de manga corta o look excesivamente moderno")
en fin..lo dejo aquí, el artículo es muy esclarecedor,sin duda, de lo que es el Corán como modelo político,vamos.
2-los ataques a mujeres no muslumanas o si se diera elcaso a muslumanas que se atrevieran a romper ese modo tan tolerante de ver la vida de Bilal y sus afines correligionarios.Violaciones,secuestros con violaciones , en Australia, en Suecia...
Por el momento, terminar este mensaje con la misma recomendación de Iñigo Ongay: la atenta lectura del artículo de José Manuel Rodríguez Pardo , como eficaz antídoto contra la retórica intolerante o mejor, pseudotolerante del fundamentalismo islámico en expansión |
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Íñigo Ongay de Felipe
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Para mayor abundamiento de lo que afirma Eliseo Rabadán, quisiera poner aquí una noticia que aparecía ayer mismo en la página web de la todopoderosa empresa de noticias CNN. Y es que al parecer, en un estado como Pakistán, regido por el aparentemente "laico" y "kermalista" Perverz Musharraf, aliado incondicional de EEUU, no dejan de gotear los casos de "crímenes de honor" para lavar los adulterios... eso sí: preferentemente con la sangre de la supuesta adúltera.
El texto está en inglés, pero creo que resulta sumamente útil... sobre todo para el que quiera que los pelos se le queden de punta.
| Cita: | 'Honor' killings shock Pakistan
Thursday, December 29, 2005 Posted: 1831 GMT (0231 HKT)
Ahmed said he killed his daughters so they would not commit adultery when they grew up, according to AP.
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? MULTAN, Pakistan (AP) -- Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" -- a crime that shocked Pakistan.
The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret -- that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover, too.
Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators.
The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.
Ahmed's apparent actions -- witnessed by his wife, Rehmat Bibi, as she cradled their 3-month-old son -- happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.
It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.
Bibi recounted how she was awakened by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter, Muqadas, and cut her throat with a machete. She said she looked on helplessly from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls -- Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 -- pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm.
"I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you."'
"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she said.
The next morning, Ahmed was arrested.
Speaking to AP from the back of a police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was moved to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up.
He said he bought a butcher knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings.
"I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."
Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery -- a claim made by her husband -- the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory.
Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover.
First marriage
Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow.
"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat. "The steps taken by our government have made no real difference."
Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.
Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's Development said it had no reliable figures.
Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said.
Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.
Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire."
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